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 Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??

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PostSubject: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:32 pm

Didalam riwayat hadis dikatakan Nabi Muhammad naik kelangit untuk mendapatkan perintah solat, dan dikatakan juga Nabi tawar menawar dengan Allah untuk mengurangkan jumlah solat sehinggalah Nabi mendapat solat 5 waktu sehari...

Tidakkah riwayat hadis itu tidak logik kerana menggambarkan Allah tidak pandai planning dan flip-flop berkenaan perintah solat??

Dalam al-Quran menyebut Nabi mikraj tetapi tak kata pun Allah flip-flop dalam perintah solat... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:16 pm

Salam,

Berikut Riwayat tersebut:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 345:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.'

Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet ) met Adarn on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.

Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:26 am

Salam,

Saya masih tidak habis pikir, kenapa kewajiban melaksanakan salat harus dijemput ke langit, sedangkan salat sudah lama diamalkan oleh para nabi dan rasul, misalnya Ibrahim dan Isa.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:58 am

Salam,

Saya sudah katakan sebelum ini bahawa ayat 17:1 adalah dirujuk kepada Nabi Musa. Bukan Nabi Muhamad. Hujah saya boleh dibaca di http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/kebergantungan-mutlak-kepada-ulama-mungkin-menyesatkan-kita-terus-ke-neraka/
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:00 am

tolokminda wrote:

Saya sudah katakan sebelum ini bahawa ayat 17:1 adalah dirujuk kepada Nabi Musa. Bukan Nabi Muhamad. Hujah saya boleh dibaca di http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/kebergantungan-mutlak-kepada-ulama-mungkin-menyesatkan-kita-terus-ke-neraka/

Saya pikir juga demikian.

Jika 17.1 merujuk kepada Muhammad, maka ayat 1 dan ayat 2 surat ke 17 menjadi tidak nyambung.

Salam.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:04 am

faried wrote:
tolokminda wrote:

Saya sudah katakan sebelum ini bahawa ayat 17:1 adalah dirujuk kepada Nabi Musa. Bukan Nabi Muhamad. Hujah saya boleh dibaca di http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/kebergantungan-mutlak-kepada-ulama-mungkin-menyesatkan-kita-terus-ke-neraka/

Saya pikir juga demikian.

Jika 17.1 merujuk kepada Muhammad, maka ayat 1 dan ayat 2 surat ke 17 menjadi tidak nyambung.

Salam.

Salam faried,

Saya telah berikan rujukan lengkap yang menyokong bahawa 17:1 adalah dirujuk kepada Nabi Musa dalam artikel saya itu. Kena baca dengan sabar dan teliti. Buat semakan sendiri. Saya pasti sebaik saja tuan melihatnya tuan akan dapat melihat kebenaran itu seperti tuan dapat membezakan di antara benang putih dan benang hitam di waktu subuh.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:13 am

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faried wrote:
tolokminda wrote:

Saya sudah katakan sebelum ini bahawa ayat 17:1 adalah dirujuk kepada Nabi Musa. Bukan Nabi Muhamad. Hujah saya boleh dibaca di http://tolokminda.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/kebergantungan-mutlak-kepada-ulama-mungkin-menyesatkan-kita-terus-ke-neraka/

Saya pikir juga demikian.

Jika 17.1 merujuk kepada Muhammad, maka ayat 1 dan ayat 2 surat ke 17 menjadi tidak nyambung.

Saya telah berikan rujukan lengkap yang menyokong bahawa 17:1 adalah dirujuk kepada Nabi Musa dalam artikel saya itu. Kena baca dengan sabar dan teliti. Buat semakan sendiri. Saya pasti sebaik saja tuan melihatnya tuan akan dapat melihat kebenaran itu seperti tuan dapat membezakan di antara benang putih dan benang hitam di waktu subuh.

Ya, saya sependapat dengan anda.

Salam.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:52 am

faried wrote:

Saya pikir juga demikian.

Jika 17.1 merujuk kepada Muhammad, maka ayat 1 dan ayat 2 surat ke 17 menjadi tidak nyambung.

Salam.
Salam,

Setuju dengan saudara.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:01 am

faried wrote:
Saya masih tidak habis pikir, kenapa kewajiban melaksanakan salat harus dijemput ke langit, sedangkan salat sudah lama diamalkan oleh para nabi dan rasul, misalnya Ibrahim dan Isa.
Nabi Muhammad mikraj bukan utk menerima perintah solat tetapi utk menerima al-Quran... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:08 am

Salam,

Dan memahami petunjuk-petunjuk yang ada dalam Al Quran itulah solat dan bila petunjuk-petunjuk itu kita laksanakan dalam kehidupan itulah "aqimissalat" (menegakkan solat). Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:27 am

Walau bagaimanapun sy tidak setuju dikatakan ayat Q17:1 tidak ada hubungannya dgn Nabi Muhammad mikraj... he-he-he...

Salam Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:31 am

Jebon wrote:
Walau bagaimanapun sy tidak setuju dikatakan ayat Q17:1 tidak ada hubungannya dgn Nabi Muhammad mikraj... he-he-he...

Tolong dijelaskan. Terima kasih.

Salam.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:37 am

Jebon wrote:
Walau bagaimanapun sy tidak setuju dikatakan ayat Q17:1 tidak ada hubungannya dgn Nabi Muhammad mikraj... he-he-he...

Mikraj atau isra yang anda maksudkan?

Quote :
Subhana allathee asra biAAabdihi laylan mina almasjidi alharami ila almasjidi alaqsa allathee barakna hawlahu linuriyahu min ayatina innahu huwa alssameeAAu albaseeru

17:1 (Malay) Maha Suci Allah, yang telah memperjalankan hamba-Nya pada suatu malam dari Al Masjidilharam ke Al Masjidilaksa yang telah Kami berkahi sekelilingnya agar Kami perlihatkan kepadanya sebagian dari tanda-tanda (kebesaran) Kami. Sesungguhnya Dia adalah Maha Mendengar lagi Maha Melihat.

Salam.
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:38 am

faried wrote:
Jebon wrote:
Walau bagaimanapun sy tidak setuju dikatakan ayat Q17:1 tidak ada hubungannya dgn Nabi Muhammad mikraj... he-he-he...

Tolong dijelaskan. Terima kasih.

Salam.
Anda percaya Nabi Muhammad mikraj gimana sih??

a). Roh dan jasad

b). Roh sahaja i.e mimpi

Mana yg rasional dong??...
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PostSubject: Re: Flip-flop perintah solat dalam riwayat hadis israk mikraj??   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:44 am

Jebon wrote:
faried wrote:
Jebon wrote:
Walau bagaimanapun sy tidak setuju dikatakan ayat Q17:1 tidak ada hubungannya dgn Nabi Muhammad mikraj... he-he-he...

Tolong dijelaskan. Terima kasih.
Anda percaya Nabi Muhammad mikraj gimana sih??

a). Roh dan jasad

b). Roh sahaja i.e mimpi

Mana yg rasional dong??...

Dalam 17.1, saya memahami abdi = Musa.

Jika anda memahami abdi = Muhammad, saya tertarik mengetahui pemahaman anda tentang isra (17.1) dan mikraj. Terima kasih.

Salam.

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